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Do you Agree?

25th Apr 2016

Do you Agree?

Do you Agree?

25th Apr 2016

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Amocin 25th Apr 2016, 12:00 AM edit delete
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Aestral 25th Apr 2016, 4:57 AM edit delete reply
AYE! Kinar, join Mordin, he's right in every word he says!
IVAN 25th Apr 2016, 5:10 AM edit delete reply
According to Denors logic Alliance wa connected with invasion. But Alli hadn't any business and contacts with Gilneas long period of time. Why do Denor want to wreak vengeance upon Alliance if it only Horde's fault?
Amocin 25th Apr 2016, 9:43 AM edit delete reply
Gilneas was not really a part of the Alliance when the wall was up. The King did not agree with its founding, and later quit it when he saw things he did not agree with.
Gantradies 26th Apr 2016, 7:45 PM edit delete reply
During Warcraft 2, Wasn't Gilneas outright Colluding with the Horde AGAINST the alliance? (or was it another nation that decided to play quisling to save their own hide? i dont remember WHICH campaign the Traitors were involved in if not both, and its been a sufficient amount of time for my memory to be fuzzy...)
Aetheos 27th Apr 2016, 12:49 AM edit delete reply
Gilneans didn't fight.against the horde so much as against the forsaken to secure their borders. The forsaken invasion is deeper than some care to explore but the gilneans never had any part in the actual war until the orcs decided to send reinforcements, forci G them into it. According to the horde side of the story though the alliance did send in naval troops to assist gilneans which failed gravely and the night elves saved what was left by a miracle. It was sad having to leave gilneans though tbh.
Aetheos 27th Apr 2016, 12:50 AM edit delete reply
Wait you said Warcraft 2... Never played that .-.
Beancrock 27th Apr 2016, 7:54 PM edit delete reply
It was Perenolde, which fell.
Kexor 4th May 2016, 12:12 AM edit delete reply
Your are recalling an event, but it was not the Gilneans. A few human noble family from the Alliance believed the Horde's victory was a forgone conclusion and so secretly defected to the Horde, hoping to be spared if they made themselves useful. However, this was found out by the Alliance and after they managed to win the Second War, these nobles were hunted down or exiled. The survivors of this became The Syndicate.
maladi 25th Apr 2016, 5:16 AM edit delete reply
The scourge had the same "philosophy" and look how they end up >.>
Kexor 4th May 2016, 12:14 AM edit delete reply
Given though, the Scourge was a tool under the Burning Legion until the Lich King managed to work his way out from under them.

The Forsaken briefly had the same idea until Sylvanas may (or may not) have chickened out of it. Again, not up to par on the current history, but never trusted Sylvanas out of the gate since World of Warcraft launched.
Kira Vixen 25th Apr 2016, 5:23 AM edit delete reply
is that even possible?
Dreamfox 25th Apr 2016, 12:47 PM edit delete reply
A few hours ago it was impossible to cure Death Knights. I'd also say before the Lich King Death Knights were deemed impossible if someone thought about such a concept.
Would you risk it becoming possibe with someone like Mordin here?

Note: All mentioned time is in-universe.
Bobbin 25th Apr 2016, 5:24 AM edit delete reply
I can't help but wonder if the female death knight is mated to/sleeping with Kinar's husband, she seems far too enthusiastic about his little speech
Guesticus 25th Apr 2016, 12:19 PM edit delete reply
She just wants to spread the 'curse'
Dargon 25th Apr 2016, 5:56 AM edit delete reply

But I think there maybe a sentence structure issue in the first panel and I think Kinar's speech bubble might be the wrong color.......of course it could just be me. It's early and Monday.....Not a good combination for me! :p
Amocin 25th Apr 2016, 9:44 AM edit delete reply
Kinar hasnt said anything, that was my bad. x.x It has been fixed.
Dargon 25th Apr 2016, 1:06 PM edit delete reply
Ahhhh......Now it all makes sense! :)

........but it's still Monday!! I'm guessing there's nothing you can do about that.....:p
Iron 25th Apr 2016, 6:28 AM edit delete reply
Oh my.. This seems to be going an interesting direction.
Vankov 25th Apr 2016, 6:29 AM edit delete reply
I've noticed that the speech bubble in the third panel is directed at kinar, but it has the colourings of mordin's speach, was she saying "Death and Destruction." Or was it mordin?
Amocin 25th Apr 2016, 9:44 AM edit delete reply
It was Mordin, it has been fixed.
Brian Core 25th Apr 2016, 7:08 AM edit delete reply
Birb Serid does not look amused.
Silegna 25th Apr 2016, 7:29 AM edit delete reply
So...Mordin/Denor seems to have lost it.
Does he realize the hypocrisy in his actions?
The Forsaken plagued his home, now he's going to curse everyone with the Worgen Curse? Does he not see that makes him no better than what the Forsaken did?
Dreamfox 25th Apr 2016, 12:51 PM edit delete reply
No he does not and that is not the point of his actions.
His point is that if everyone is a Worgen, there is no reason to fight each other anymore. At least from his point of view.
The sad thing is, as Kinar has pointed out earlier, that it won't stop the fighting. It would only change what people are fighting about or over what.
Gantradies 26th Apr 2016, 7:46 PM edit delete reply
on the other hand, its quite possible he KNOWS, he just doesn't CARE
Fangz 25th Apr 2016, 7:51 AM edit delete reply
I feel like the speech bubble on the third panel should be pointing the other way of it is still Mordin speaking. If it isn't then it should be standard black and white. Just my 2 cents. Keep up the awesome work amo. Looking forward to more
Amocin 25th Apr 2016, 9:45 AM edit delete reply
It has been fixed.
LovemyLunacy 25th Apr 2016, 8:43 AM edit delete reply
Wouldn't the 3rd speech bubble tail be facing the other way? I know it is him talking, but at first glance it was almost as if she were saying it. You don't have to post this comment, just curious.

On another note, I love your work!
Amocin 25th Apr 2016, 9:45 AM edit delete reply
Nic 25th Apr 2016, 9:33 AM edit delete reply
Just wanted to point out that in the 3rd panel ("Destruction and death."), it looks like what the Death Knight was saying is being said by Kinar. If it is being said by Kianr, I don't think it's suppose to be in the Death Knight text style.

Still, love the comic though, always eager to see the next page.
Amocin 25th Apr 2016, 9:45 AM edit delete reply
Meow 25th Apr 2016, 10:36 AM edit delete reply
So they want everyone in the world being bitchy...

“Being bitchy is in my blood. Don't pretend you don't like it.”
dannyhighfield 25th Apr 2016, 11:04 AM edit delete reply
very nice. I hope your well. look forward to more soon, i love this. but i fear the worgen curse. but i do think there curse will be there end death will wait all. be safe take care god bless danny
Ron Overdrive 25th Apr 2016, 11:06 AM edit delete reply
He's like the second coming of Fangfire the Alpha Prime of the original nightelf worgen.
Sogen 25th Apr 2016, 12:17 PM edit delete reply
Bah, the Gilneans were fools but not for the reasons Denor thinks. After all, "There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods." The Horde and then the Scourge were pawns of the Legion and the Legion would not forget the Gilneans just because they put a wall up. Matter of fact the undead of first the Scourge and then the Forsaken were attacking that wall for years before some of the Worgen Arugal summoned got through.
Aetheos 25th Apr 2016, 1:36 PM edit delete reply
Technically the gilneans played a part against the scourge. It's hard to fault either side. The forsaken were just defending their home. Yous gotta play the horde sides to understand it.
Amocin 25th Apr 2016, 2:16 PM edit delete reply
Mordin is incapable of playing the Horde side to understand it.
Aetheos 25th Apr 2016, 5:39 PM edit delete reply
The gilneans were in battle with the forsaken for quite a while though. They even assisted in the efforts of trying to remove the forsaken from lordaeron. Aka the gilneans liberation front... It was a side faction but they were still gilneans aligned.mordin might not understand it but truly when do we see our enemies as the ones victimized. The forsaken were harsh...but what Mordin and many players didn't realize was Gilneans brought it upon themselves. The forsaken took gilneans home away so that they wouldn't take the undercity from them.it is the only home they have and every single living being wants to take that away from them. Gilneans and the alliance refuse to recognize their rights because they are "monsters"
Taran 25th Apr 2016, 10:38 PM edit delete reply
The forsaken are not monsters because of their appearance, they are monsters because of their methods. Biological warfare and planned genocide from the top echelons of their government makes them monsters. I used to believe a bit like you do now, bug their actions have no justifiable reason from my perspective. I would turn your own logic upon you that the forsaken's actions throughout the Warcraft series of games is what brings war upon them.
Aetheos 26th Apr 2016, 7:06 AM edit delete reply
I'll just refute you with this. If your home were under siege and your people faced complete annhiliation would you not employ the same methods if it were the only way to save your home? If the alliance had just left the forsaken alone it's doubtful they would ever have to use such methods?
Amocin 26th Apr 2016, 10:21 AM edit delete reply
The difference is that the Gilnean people pretty much gave the alliance the middle finger when they put up that wall. It did indeed say "We want to be left alone."

I dont know about you, but I wouldnt continue to try and attack somebody who locked their door and refused to come out. They didnt even allow human refugees in.
Aetheos 26th Apr 2016, 5:25 PM edit delete reply
If people under the rule of Gilneas did not attack in the first place then the forsaken would have had no reason to attack them in the first place, let alone call in Orc reinforcements. Both sides are victims, but neither decides to see it. The battle for Gilneans took place after the battle to the north took place, the battle for gilneas wasn't a random attack, it was a counter attack.
Aetheos 26th Apr 2016, 5:31 PM edit delete reply
Also the forsaken tried to do the same thing by trying to stay out of the conflict but the alliance and gilneans did not take kindly to "abominations" claiming the home they rightfully earned. It's because of this reason they had no choice to join the horde to gain orc/horde protection against the alliance, otherwise they would have been wiped out long ago. Frankly every race that joined the Horde did so for protection. The tauren against thcentaurs, the blood elves against racist humans, the trolls that lost their home, the forsaken who are attacked merely because they are undead by the alliance and every crusade under the book.
Amocin 26th Apr 2016, 7:57 PM edit delete reply
I can understand being sympathetic to all the races, but at the same time I have to see it from the angle the humans/worgen would take it from, because thats the side they see.

The Undead were humans at one time, at least most of them were. So its strange to consider them much of a race, at least from one human to another.. They are just reanimated corpses, they can not breed and must kill and raise to continue their existence. Its easy to disconnect them from anything but monsters when they are the only creatures who do this.

As far as I am aware as well, Greymane was very open about his opposition of joining the Alliance, as well his opposition of the Orc interment camps. He realized his mistake, that his people could protect themselves, and pulled out of the Alliance. Sure the people would be more than happy to kill any orc they came across, but making them slaves was something that left a bad taste in the mouth of Gilnean leadership.
Aetheos 27th Apr 2016, 12:41 AM edit delete reply
I understand your viewpoint t as well, not everyone fights in the war after all so of course there are always victims in a war. Denor, Kinar, and their son and the rest of their family being no exception. I'm not justifying all of their actions because of course the forsaken slew children and innocent people due to their cold new outlook on the living. it's just kind of a "the more you know thing
" I mean heck I'm gilneans all the way if I had to choose sides.
Koryn 25th Apr 2016, 6:17 PM edit delete reply
Makes me curious though, if it's possiable that there is a race immune to the worgen curse. This page has got me thinking is all, only three I know that aren't immune. The Sindorai/Belfs are to close to night elves in the case that they used to be one race with them originally. Humans already proven to be supsectable to it. But I'm still curious overall about this. Though hmm maybe only the undead are immune to it, as Worgen death knights were worgens before death knights. But anyways quite curious, and excited to see where this goes.
Guest 25th Apr 2016, 11:17 PM edit delete reply
if I remember the lore right the first creations of the titans are immune to the worgen curse such as the vrykle,dwarfs, and possible the dranei although I cannot remember any others
Guest 25th Apr 2016, 8:17 PM edit delete reply
So I guess this establishes that all of these characters became Worgen before they became Death Knights. Will you reveal at some point how they became Death Knights?
Amocin 25th Apr 2016, 8:32 PM edit delete reply
TheSuicidalGiraffe 26th Apr 2016, 3:53 AM edit delete reply
The man's got a point, he and his group should still be eliminated, deterred or imprisoned but you can't argue with that kind of resolve.
Rankamateur 27th Apr 2016, 7:52 AM edit delete reply
If I remember correctly, Mordin's plans are even darker than what he has revealed on this page. I can't quite recall when (or perhaps even if) I read it in this comic, but I believe his ultimate goal is not only to pass the worgen curse on to all that he can, but also to raise as undead all the rest that he can't...and in so doing, become their ruler as some combination of alpha pack leader, and a self-styled undead (Lich?)King.

It would take a considerable amount of personal power to be able to accomplish this...and as seen by the alternate coloration of his speech bubbles, he may have already acquired it through some unknown means. Even if this is true however, there is something that he is likely unaware of; that the existence of a true Lichking did not end with Arthas' death. Lore-wise, it is not publicly known that Bolvar Fordragon has assumed the mantle already, and I can't wait to see how this will affect Mordin's schemes.
The_Rippy_One 28th Apr 2016, 10:15 PM edit delete reply
Okay, for the non-WoW among us, let me see if I have this straight - at some point, the Worgen were a separatist faction that were racially(?) aligned with one faction (alliance?), but withdrew over policies relating to slavery.

After this withdrawal, the night elves(?) (also alliance, yes?) placed a curse on the withdrawn faction to turn them into war beasts, the Worgen we know today. And it's after this that the Worgen got control over themselves and stopped being mindless transformational plauge vectors?

And then the Worgen got dragged into Mordin's deathknight faction? How badly have I messed this up?
Amocin 28th Apr 2016, 11:03 PM edit delete reply
The people of Gilneas (Kinar, Mordin, Shai, Koutack etc), were humans up until recently. When they were a part of the Alliance, they were still human, and when they defected, they were human as well.

The worgen Curse came from a group of Night Elf Druids who wanted to gain the wolf form, but it was too wild.. It became the worgen curse. They were contained for a time, but eventually this curse spread to Gilneas, and infected them. I would say it was not personal, nor was it payback for them leaving the Alliance.

Its part of the reason that the Night Elves helped the Gilneans escape. They felt personally responsible for the curse, and offered whatever help they could to New Worgens.

Worgens are feral when first made, but can regain their humanity/sanity by both Alchemy potion and the Scythe of Allune ritual.
The_Rippy_One 29th Apr 2016, 4:39 AM edit delete reply
Okay, thanks for explaining that. And now Mordin wants to, what, bite every man woman and child so the whole world is fuzzy adorable wolfies? And is there a reason so many of them are deathknights?
Rankamateur 29th Apr 2016, 7:01 AM edit delete reply
I would add the following to Amocin's explanation of the Worgen's means for recovery; the alchemy potion seems to restore their sanity only, and it has been suggested that reapplications on occasion are required to remain effective. They must undergo the `Scythe ritual' for this to be permanent, and to be able to change back to human form...and it should be noted that it is a tenuous change at best. When in human form, any provocation (threat of violence, intense emotion, etc.) will revert them back to their worgen form.

Concerning the question on whether a `cured' worgen can pass the curse on to others, the game developers haven't been very forthcoming with useful information, and have even presented contradictory evidence through some of the quests in-game. The consensus among many is that once you undergo the ritual, a mere bite will no longer transfer it without there being some unusual circumstances present...such as a direct transfer of blood, or somehow reverting to a mindless feral state.

Oh, and finally...the plural of `Worgen' is just `Worgen'. No `s' is added except in the possessive case.
Koryn 29th Apr 2016, 6:53 AM edit delete reply
Also to add on to what Amo said, the gilneans got cursed by the druids of the fang. As the worgen form was originally intended, to show respect and worship the forest god known as Goldrinn. Reason the scythe of elune, has one of Goldrinn's fangs as the blade. But because Goldrinn is a wild god, and he was considered ferocious the worgen form basically took on all the aspects of that. Because the form is so dangerous, the night elves used the scythe to seal them away in a pocket dimension.

1000's of years later, the gilneans asked a human mage that he find a way to fight back the forsaken after their wall had collapsed. Well this mage was quite insane in the mind and wielding the scythe of Elune opened the dimension where the Worgen resided and well basically they infected the gilneans. As well as attacked the forsaken. So the Worgens wandered the woods mindless. Till most were trapped and cured with a potion as Amo stated.

Anyways some worgens died in the woods, in gilneas, as well as fighting for the Alliance. Arthus being the only one who had the ability to raise the Worgen since lich kings power can get past the curse. Even Sylvanas cannot raise dead worgen, so killing them to her offers nothing for the forsaken. Eventually all Death Knights Arthus's champions regained their minds, and outright defied their very king. This being because Arthuses power had been waning at the time. The history of why Amo's worgens formed a pack, I have no clue as that will be left to Amo.
Amocin 29th Apr 2016, 8:23 AM edit delete reply
The majority of the Worgen on Mordin's side are DKs because the Feral worgen did kill many of their comrades, and plenty also died during the Horde's invasion of their home. So they all died by the hands of fellow Worgen, or by the Horde's invading forces.

And while Koryn added a great deal of information into the lore of the Worgen, it is not important to the current story here.. I know it can be a bit much to soak in for those not familiar with the game. Thanks for adding all that though. ^.^
CliveMCP 1st Aug 2019, 3:13 AM edit delete reply
I have to agree with him. Worgen are the beat